Talk: Archived-Weapons List

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Bug in SMGs

I don't know much about this plugin that creates the links for the weapon pages but there are currently two links to the MP5SD6 in the SMG section. --Xkcd 16:32, 2 June 2012 (MDT)

I am aware of that - it happened when i moved the page to the current name. I just hope it's a cache thingy and will correct over time ;/ I don't know how to flush the caches - sEi (Talk) 16:44, 2 June 2012 (MDT)

It's a problem with the database table of this extension... Right now it has 2 different ID's attached to the MP5SD6, while it only exists once. It's a bug and we're trying to figure out how to fix it... - Grezvany13 17:48, 2 June 2012 (MDT)

A large number of links to other guns in this page have been duplicated, the Bizon appears twice, the M4A1 CCO SD appears twice, the AK-74 appears twice..--Towel Head (talk) 14:32, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Incorrect data is being added

Copenhagen and m4a1 holo sd dont exist in the game

mp5sd is duplicated, we really need to do something about this, the site is being abused by people who dont know what they are talking about, i sometimes think that its done just to troll me :/

I protected the page so only admins can modify it to prevent abuse. I'll remove the Copenhagen, and I'll check the M4A1 Holo SD (since I think it's a valid weapon). The problem with the MP5SD is known and we're trying to fix it, since it's a database problem. - Grezvany13 02:54, 8 June 2012 (MDT)

I deleted the "M4A1 Holo SD" page - sEi (Talk) 05:47, 8 June 2012 (MDT)

data things after database update

The wrong AK Kobra was deleted. The AKS-74u Kobra does exist - the AK74 Kobra (the long one) doesn't - Leucetius 05:40, 10 June 2012 (MDT)

i have been looking delete logs and see no "AK Kobra" so what was deleted? and what needs to stay? - Since deleting/reverting can cause problems i need to be sure "name specific!" to what i do! - So please inform me of what needs to be reverted and what needs to be deleted - sEi (Talk) 10:45, 10 June 2012 (MDT)

This Weapon is ingame: [AKS-74 Kobra].

{"AKS_74_kobra", "weapon"}, {AKS_74_U, "weapon"}, {AK_47_M, "weapon"} <- its code beside a few sisters

It is missing on the weapons page and on the weapon comparison page.

This weapon is in our database: AK74 Kobra, but is NOT in DayZ.

Thing is: ARMA has both. And I thought there was an AKS-74 Kobra before along the AK-74 Kobra on the weapons page :\ That made me wonder...

Can we just put the 'S' in the database (AKS-74 Kobra) and alter the description a little bit to reflect the 'small' Kobra-equipped? - Leucetius 11:11, 10 June 2012 (MDT)

Soundlevel

As I'm bored and because of a post at the BI Forum, I've scanned the source code for the distance each weapon is audible. Quit nice numbers :) (one may look at my personal site). Do we want to append them to the weapon boxes? - Leucetius 13:47, 12 June 2012 (MDT)

Are these values real ingame? --Oliva 14:01, 12 June 2012 (MDT)

They must be "subject of change" and have to be maintained from patch to patch. But it would be super info to read in the Weapons Box. - sEi (Talk) 15:24, 12 June 2012 (MDT)

@Oliva: Yes, they are directly from the code. One thing to mention: the volume of the sound you hear when firing and the value used to determine the distance you'll be audible are different. The former cames from the weapon ("play sound file xy with loudness z") the latter is from the ammo ("audible value times 10 times caliber = distance in meters"). That is why the same weapon is nearly inaudible when used with SD ammo.

@SEi: It should be easy to maintain. After every patch (DayZ) just check for new entries in dayz_weapon/config.cpp/CfgAmmo.hpp. I'll do this for as long as I'm contributing to the wiki ;)

I'll leave the table on my personal site for now, until I have either confirmed them in DayZ or in a self-created Editormission. - Leucetius 23:45, 12 June 2012 (MDT)

@Leucetius: it seems to me that you forgot one value in your calculation, which is the weapon base value. To me it seems impossible that a M9 + SD ammo has the same volume as a M9SD + SD ammo (as you already said yourself it should be). I'll try to have a look at it too (when I can find some spare time). - Grezvany13 01:52, 13 June 2012 (MDT)

@Grezvany13: Another pair of eyes would be great. I've my data from dayz_code/compile/player_fired.sqf

_distance = round(_audible * 10 * _caliber);
(snip)
_id = [_unit,_distance,true,(getPosATL player)] spawn player_alertZombies;

No other factor in the calculation. Just distance from ammo and that goes straight to the player_alertZombie (where it is used to build an array with all zombies in a circle with radius _distance around the player) - Leucetius 03:31, 13 June 2012 (MDT)

Wrong weps

sEi, people are talking on this thread: http://dayzmod.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=9664&pid=113144#pid113144

that the L85A2 RIS CWS doesn't exist ingame. Instead, there is the L85A2 AWS with infrared and NVG scope. I have made this thread: http://dayzmod.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=11725 and asked if anyone, dev or not, could indicate what should be ingame and what should not.

I also indicated your name (sorry for not asking your permission) if they don't want to give me such info. I just decided to open this thread because of this weapon and a radio. There is a radio thread there, where staff replied and no one confirmed if the radio is genuine or hacked. -Oliva 08:58, 15 June 2012 (MDT)

'L85A2 AWS' and 'L85A2 RIS CWS' are the same weapon. If you enter editor, spawn a player and give him nothing but the RIS CWS (removeallweapons this; this addweapon "BAF_L85A2_RIS_CWS";) you'll start with a weapon, whose ingame name (mousehover) is 'L85A2 AWS'. I testes this just recently to confirm, that this weapon has zeroeing (because that was changed on the weaponpage). - Leucetius 09:24, 15 June 2012 (MDT)

Leucetius, I didn't check it yet. Just posted it to make sure we have the correct version of the game stuff. Shouldn't we change the name to that one used ingame? That and the AK74-kobra. -Oliva 11:47, 15 June 2012 (MDT)

If any weapon pages need another name then pls post on my talk page stating: OLD NAME and NEW name (it's not 'just' changing the page's names!) - sEi (Talk) 08:11, 19 June 2012 (MDT)

Please remove this sentence: "Sidearms and Flashlights will fill the Sidearm slot." -Oliva 14:54, 20 June 2012 (MDT)

DONE - is this right?:"Sidearms take 5 slots in the Backpack" - sEi (Talk) 15:13, 20 June 2012 (MDT)

Yes. Unless they secret-changed it. There is no mention about the amount of slots used in the backpack by the flashlight also. -Oliva 15:17, 20 June 2012 (MDT)

MR43 and Double-barreled shotgun are the same

I'd just like to point out that the MR43 is the double-barrelled shotty. The double-barrelled shotgun should be removed from the shotgun category.

The redlink (double-barrelled shotgun) should be removed soon. You say 'removed' from shotgun category and then put in what category? (i'm not into weapons at all) - sEi (Talk) 10:59, 26 June 2012 (MDT)

Thing is: the MR43 is called "double-barreled shotgun" ingame. That's why I called it this way in the first place. Every player without code-knowledge who visits the wiki doesn't know the MR43 but searches for the D-B SG. That may be why so many created the page again after we moved it to the MR43... - Leucetius 15:07, 26 June 2012 (MDT)

couldn't we use a DBsg redirection page? Or something like that? -Oliva 15:37, 26 June 2012 (MDT)

rerererecreated the page as a redirect - sEi (Talk) 16:38, 26 June 2012 (MDT)

So why not just remove the double-barrelled shotgun and edit the MR43 so that it says in brackets (Double-barrelled shotgun)? It seems silly having it there twice. --Lakelly 07:31, 27 June 2012 (MDT)

MP5SD listed twice

This isn't particularly important, but the MP5SD is listed twice. I would edit it but the page is admin-only. Could an admin fix this sometime? --Lakelly 05:12, 26 June 2012 (MDT)

It's a known problem that some weapons appear twice which is due a bug in an extension we use. The Weapons page is rendered automaticly, so even admins can't remove the double entry (or remove deleted weapons). We're still working on a permanent solution to this bug, however we scan for bugs like these and manually remove them from the database. - Grezvany13 05:34, 26 June 2012 (MDT)

Lee and Winchester are Rifles/Carbines.

The Lee Enfield and the Winchester 1866 are not an assault rifle, and a shotgun respectively. Both are Rifles/Carbines.

The Winchester 1866 has never been suitable for firing anything more than .44 rounds. The Lee enfield... I don't even know why that's in assault rifles, maybe it's because nobody considered the 1866 to be a Rifle, and making a category for only one weapon seemed ridiculous at that time.

Definition of Assault rifle: Here[1] Definition of a Shotgun: Here[2]

The Winchester 1866 only fires .44, and the Lee Enfield is not a fully automatic rifle.

Winchester 1866 Information Here[3]

Lee Enfield Information Here[4]

TL;DR

Add a section called Either Rifles or Carbines and place the Lee Enfield and Winchester 1866 into that category. Heck, you could rename Sniper rifles to Rifles and just add both to that if you wanted to. - Modsec 08:09, 28 June 2012 (MDT)

The 1866 may be a rifle in RL, but (and the weaponspage tells that) it is a shotgun in DayZ. So it's in that category correctly. We could make a category just for the Lee, but it'll look strange. Just as the crossbow category looks strange... - Leucetius (talk) 04:36, 28 June 2012 (MDT)

Edit: please mark your post on discussion pages with ~~~~ so we know who we talk to. - Leucetius (talk) 04:36, 28 June 2012 (MDT)

Regarding M240, Lee Enfield, FN FAL, Dragunov SVD

Certain firearms are mislabelled.

The M240 is a medium or general purpose machine gun rather than a light one. The Lee Enfield is a bolt action battle rifle, not an assault rifle. The FN FAL is a battle rifle, not an assault rifle. The Dragunov SVD is a squad marksman/dedicated marksman's rifle. It is not intended for a "sniper role", instead it is used on a squad level as a rifle with longer range than the AK type rifles used by regular infantry units.

Removing redirects

Since the search box is a very important entry to the site it is important that it only suggest valid pages in the autocomplete.

Recently a lot of new weapon pages where made and only as redirects. This gives a lot of misguiding results in the text autocomplete. So i am going to remove those obsolete pages. - sEi (Talk) 14:52, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

weapons listed twice

i noticed that there are quite a few weapons listed twice: compound crossbow, bizon pp-19 sd, ak-74, FN FAL AN/PVS-4, M4A1 CCO SD, and the as50

also, a few weapons are listed twice under different names, but are redirected to the same page: m14 aim and m14 ep1, m249 and m249 saw, remington 870 and remington 870 (flashlight), cz550 and cz 550, and m9 sd and m9 silenced. --Vv211 (talk) 18:36, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

We are well aware. It's an issue with our DB that is being attended to. Should be fixed shortly. It occurs when weapons are renamed. - Smokie (talk) 02:30, 7 August 2012 (UTC)